Sat 23 Jul 2005
Seems that people are anxious to know (thanks HuffPo) just where Judge Roberts stands on abortion. In light of this, I found an interesting concept on Echidne, and found a little more on Feministe. They are about a Katha Pollitt column opining whether losing Roe v. Wade is necessarily all that bad. From the portions of the column I have read, it seems she concludes that we will not gain much by taking abortion off the political table. Though many say the Roe decision itself is what put abortion on the table and caused the backlash against abortion rights, Pollitt thinks that, if Roe is overturned, abortion will continue to be a prominent and perhaps overshadowing issue in state elections, still to the detriment of wider discussion. She may be right.
The question: should the Dems simply stop campaigning on the issue? That depends. It may depend on the state. It may depend on whether the Republicans will force the issue and force the Dems to take a stand. Or maybe abortion is a question of basic human rights that would be unconscionable to abandon.
Could there be another way? Bear with me, these ideas are new, for me at least.
As it stands, Roe may be overturned. If so, Dems could be in for the fights of their lives to defend abortion rights in the states. Sadly, this fight will probably be to the detriment of *gulp* the less “gonadal” (to quote Ralph Nader, though he was sadly referring to gay rights… but the sentiment is not without validity) and the *gulp* more important systemic economic and social issues that go largely ignored.
Instead of funnelling all of our resources into electoral campaigns and lobbying, perhaps we should work outside of (er, wiggle around) the law. We can put our resources normally used for political purposes into a vast network of people and organizations that can guarantee free and safe abortions to anyone in the nation. The network can provide money for transportation, when necessary. Also when necessary, doctors with social consciences can provide free services when economically feasible, else the pro-choice organizations may pay for the procedures.
More details need to be fleshed out. And this may not solve the problem of minors seeking abortions, of course.
And what if a federal law banning abortion is passed? Perhaps this pro-choice “underground railroad” can stretch to Canada, or off-shore. Or perhaps we can simply establish a massive and supportive network of law breakers. But that opens up good people to potential criminal prosecutions.
And who knows if enough resources could be mustered to achieve these lofty goals. Perhaps the electoral process is the best investment, and perhaps we should be putting abortion-rights front and center of electoral contests. But maybe if we put abortion aside, anti-choice voters will have no further need to pledge allegiance to the Republicans who so often act against their interests on every other issue.
Women seeking abortions shouldn’t need to feel like criminals. They shouldn’t need to go through these efforts. But gosh, we’re losing everything else. Of course, I am probably exaggerating the sway of abortion as an electoral issue.
Even if a strategy which places aside abortion is not adopted, we may lose these abortion electoral battles anyway, which means we may need to start thinking about how we can make abortions available in the face of draconian laws.
Just some quick thoughts, and quite controversial. So I’d like to hear more nuanced critiques than I have provided, please comment away.
July 23rd, 2005 at 11:50 pm
Or maybe abortion is a question of basic human rights that would be unconscionable to abandon.
Of course it’s a human rights issue! If somebody else has a right to kill you, then you have no human rights whatsoever.
July 23rd, 2005 at 11:55 pm
We can put our resources normally used for political purposes into a vast network of people and organizations that can guarantee free and safe abortions to anyone in the nation.
If you think abortion is safe as it is, you’ve not been paying attention. Danco, the company that distributes RU-486 in the US, announced that they’ve been notified of five maternal deaths from infection following sloppy, off-label use of the drugs by abortion facilities. One of those was a Planned Parenthood, for crying out loud! So we’re not talking fringe, fly-by-night mills here.
And how about the National Abortion Federation, a group that promises referrals to “safe” abortions, but sends women to quacks like Abu Hayat?
What’s the priority here? For all the talk of “safe, legal, and rare,” the only one that gets any actual effort put behind it is “legal.”
July 23rd, 2005 at 11:57 pm
Ug! Sorry I didn’t close that tag properly! The links work okay, it just looks funny.
July 24th, 2005 at 12:28 am
Fixed!
July 24th, 2005 at 12:29 am
Thanks!
July 24th, 2005 at 10:36 am
I believe choice should be considered a basic human right, excuse my ambiguous language. What you quoted is more a reflection of the difficulty it is to convince the rest of the nation that it is such a basic human right, which is exactly the problem, isn’t it? I believe we have a constitutional right not to be killed by government (cruel and unusual), but I don’t suspect any amendments will be ratified within this era.
You criticize current efforts at working around abortion laws. But I think my point is that we may need, at some point, to actually make sure we have a way to provide safe abortions to all (I’m not saying we do now), regardless of the state of the law, and perhaps in the political climate, we should really be putting resources and monitoring into such programs.
The facts you provide are quite disturbing. Maybe it is a testament to the need for us to refocus our priorities into monitoring the abortion “industry” and know where to really refer women in need. Or maybe it means that we really need to fight to put laws in place so we can have really effective government regulation over abortion clinic standards (though, I wonder how good government regulation will do in the hands of future anti-choice regimes).
If I’m interpreting your comments wrong, and you’re talking about the rights of the fetus, then I’ll point you to a comment I made to another poster on this site, which will show I don’t really know how to win the purely “a life is a life” argument, but can give many other compelling reasons to support choice. The post is here:
http://www.thenewwisdom.com/2005/06/a-meditation-on-choices/#comment-51
July 24th, 2005 at 10:49 am
Oh, and this comment in the same post I think gets more at the heart of what I was trying to do:
http://www.thenewwisdom.com/2005/06/a-meditation-on-choices/#comment-55
July 25th, 2005 at 9:38 am
Ben, I would love to see a movement among the prochoice to clean up abortion in the US. The stuff I’ve seen is really disturbing, and it frustrates me that I can’t seem to get anybody but other prolifers to care. And nobody listens to us. People assume we say bad things about abortion because we’re anti-abortion, instead of entertaining the possibility that we’re against abortion because of all the bad things. Personally, that’s how I became an activist!. And what I’ve learned since then hasn’t made me any more favorably inclined toward prochoice organizations.
Please note, I make a very strong and clear distinction between prochoice organizations and prochoice individuals I really think that conscientious prochoice folks, banded together, can be a powerful pro-woman force, if they can get themselves separated from the current entrenched abortion lobby.
July 25th, 2005 at 6:46 pm
Christina,
Sorry, looks like your link didn’t work again. Admin?
If abortion practices are as bad as you have been suggesting, there should definitely be more responsibility by pro-choice advocates given the shaky political climate for legal abortion. Makes me want to do research, which is always a good thing.
If abortion practices were well monitored and made as safe as feasibly possible, would that change your thinking?
And another hypothetical, if you will oblige (assuming from your first comment that you’re pro-life for the rights of the fetus as well as for the shoddy practices): if the political tide hypothetically ran the other way, and legislatures were gung-ho to completely legitimize abortion, would you want the government, as opposed to private advocates, to fund in depth monitoring and regulation to insure womens’ safety, though doing so may significantly aid in entrenching abortion as a permanent American institution?
Just food for thought.
July 26th, 2005 at 9:52 am
Thanks. Let’s try again. I’ll test that link before I leave the page!
As a Libertarian, I tend to shy away from having the government take too big a role in anything. One of the few legitimate places to step in is to protect the innocent from those that are trying to harm them. So in a perfect world (which of course we’re far from)! abortion simply wouldn’t be allowed, any more than we’re allowed to kill off anybody else whose presence is troublesome to us. We don’t even let abused women shoot their abusers, and the woman stands to benefit a lot more from doing that than she stands to benefit from aborting her fetus! We have due process, and that’s the way it ought to be.
But given that abortion is currently pretty thoroughly entrenched, what should the government’s job be? Personally, I like the approach Feminists for Life takes, with a right to redress, including a right to sue for wrongful death if the woman was given inadequate information about the fetus. In other words, empower the women in ways that motivate the people selling the abortions to stop treating women like marks at a carnival.
August 21st, 2005 at 5:19 pm
What if your thirteen-year old daughter became pregnant or was a victim of a gang-rape with the same consequences? What would you do then? This issue comes up many times daily for those in the population of this Country. Certainly this is more than difficult desicion to make for those involved. What if there were no alternatives available? Are we going to return to the days of the dirty back office, arrest-risking doctor (or not), unsterilized instruments or other such horrors in this possible scenario. What about the distraught teenager? A baby having a baby? What desparate measures would she take to remedy the situation? A coathanger for one. We thought those days were in the past with the passing of Roe vs Wade. Should we fall backward for the benefit of some (too many) “holier than thou” individuals who aren’t thinking or opening their minds at all?
Keep Abortion legal or suffer the consequences. To tug on the Government’s purse strings, our whole population would expand and the Welfare state, including Assistance, food stamps, assisted Housing and all other emblems of Poverty will be out of hand. We have so many poor people in this Country and they are swept under the carpet while the Government wishes they would go away. This margin is just growing bigger, and without the right of Choice, the problems of over-population could run rampant in North America. What would the rest of the world think?
August 21st, 2005 at 5:48 pm
Kristina, why would I want my daughter, whom I love, to undergo something as hideous as an abortion? I’d not suddenly stop loving her if she’d been raped!
February 28th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Life begins at conception, begins at birth - Or come up with another stage and develop a different persuasive speech topic
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